[11] Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to them which are exercised thereby. The sentiment of this verse is a frequent conclusion of the writers personal experience (compare marginal references), and is unfairly charged with Epicureanism. The mention of an oath to God may bring to mind the need to follow through on vows to God in Ecclesiastes 5. 6 Verse 14 repeats the dilemma of Ecclesiastes 7:15 Ecclesiastes 7:15All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongs his life in his wickedness.American King James Versionthe righteous suffering what wickedness is supposed to result in and the wicked receiving what righteousness is supposed to result in. Placing them at t _Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the Its just a matter of timeand probably much less time than most imagine. People are soon forgotten after they die. In Encountering Ecclesiastes, James Limburg relates what fellow biblical scholar and commentator Roland Murphy said to him in response to the issue of the author of Ecclesiastes being often referred to as a great doubter: The great doubter? Commentary on Ecclesiastes 8:14-17 (Read Ecclesiastes 8:14-17) Honor the king (1 Peter 2:17 1 Peter 2:17Honor all men. For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be? I. He would have us to take occasion hence, not to charge God with iniquity, but to charge the world with vanity. Ecclesiastes 8:15 in all English translations. It doesn't matter to God that I cheat. The writer returns to the sentiment expressed already (Ecclesiastes (9 sessions) This study is part of the LifeLight Bible study series of in-depth studies of Bible books. No! drink, and to be merry; Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Blue Letter Bible study tools make reading, searching and studying the Bible easy and rewarding. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged ( Ecclesiastes 8:12 ), Remember he was talking about how he saw that the ungodly man was living a long life, the righteous were dying young and the ungodly were living long. He's very long-suffering. Solomon's pencil. The words There is are in italics in the NKJV, showing theyve been added to the original wordingunnecessarily in this case. I say, "Keep the king's commandment for the sake of your oath to God. For the time being we are subject to human rule. . He's very loving. Of that Solomon is certain. In the person of a sensual man. And they give their hearts and their lives over to evil to live an evil life. a man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. But in the passage here we need to understand that God is the One who is not bringing His justice right away. MIRTH - Better, Gladness, or joy (as in Ecclesiastes 2:10). the preacher sets forth certain deductions. All this have I seen, and applied my heart to every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man rules over another to his own hurt. Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit in whatsoever state And, as the end of verse 1 tells us, this wisdom can dispel the gloom and brighten mans otherwise hard looks (Walter Kaiser, Ecclesiastes: Total Life, p. 89). righteous men to whom it happens ac Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the So, "Though a sinner do evil a hundred times, and his days be prolonged,". Wise and good men have, of old, been perplexed with this difficulty, how the prosperity of the wicked and the troubles of the righteous can be reconciled with the holiness and goodness of the God that governs the world. That both he himself and many others had very closely studied the point, and searched far into the reasons of the prosperity of the wicked and the afflictions of the righteous. You can't escape it. Solomon next mentions seeing the wicked buried (verse 10). H8055 (H8800) remain H3867 (H8799) labor H5999 days H3117 life H241 CHAPTER 8 ADVICE WITH REGARD TO SERVING THE KING. But the person who fears God knows that God is always near. The wicked go unpunished and, even when they are dead and buried, people still praise them for their achievements in life (9-10). Ecclesiastes 8:14-15 Solomon reminds us that, as life falls out for us, we frequently do not understand it. There is a vanity which is done upon the earth Either by wicked potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons of the greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who sees it fit for many weighty reasons so to manage the affairs of the present world. [17] Be not over much wicked, neither be you foolish: why should you die before your time? their present condition and circumstances, and be cheerful and The Preaching the Word commentary goes on to state that those who fear God are said to fear before him (Ecclesiastes 8:12 Ecclesiastes 8:12Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:American King James Version), meaning that they know they are in his presence. Some see it as a worthless cause, calamitous outcome or anything the king would not like. No man has any power over the spirit. In view of these contradictions, Solomon again recommended the enjoyment of life, not in a pleasure-mad way but in the sense of enjoying the fruits of ones labor (cf. That shall abide with him during the days of his life which God gives him under the sun. To go from someones presence elsewhere signifies disaffection or disloyalty . Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him. CONCLUSION: Heavenly wisdom makes a man a good man, Ecclesiastes 8:1. It's emptiness. Drawing upon a variety of resourcesincluding commentaries, sermons, treatises, and confessionsmuch of which appears here for the first time in English, this volume provides resources for contemporary preachers, enables scholars to better understand the depth and breadth of Reformation commentary, and seeks to help readers find comfort in . He said, "Okay, you can go now." which God giveth him under the sun; man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content. The Proud member The first part of Ecclesiastes 8:3 Ecclesiastes 8:3Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him.American King James Versiontells us not to be quick to leave the ruler. It doesn't matter to God that I'm living an immoral life, because look at all that I have." experience of a THEN I COMMENDED MIRTH,. Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit THE ONE END OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God. 14 But he does not dwell on that. with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth _There is a vanity which is done upon the earth_ Either by wicked SUN EXCEPT TO EAT AND TO DRINK AND TO BE MERRY, AND THIS WILL STAND BY [1.] 21st Century King James Version. There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happens according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happens according to the work of the righteous: so I said that this also is vanity ( Ecclesiastes 8:13-14 ). And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity ( Ecclesiastes 8:9-10 ). The highest wisdom is Recall that chapter 5 was the first instance of direct exhortations in the booktelling us to be careful in our approach in coming to worship God, the One in whose hands our lives are and who can help us through the present difficulties. This equal mind, expressing itself in a grave dignified bearing, is, with them, well-nigh indispensable to success in, public life. Koheleth seems to have had a suspicion all the time that his view of Then I commended merriment, because a man hath no better thing ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ), And this is his human philosophy and human reasoning coming out again. Commentary, explanation and study verse by verse. If one does not know what will happen, how can he learn when it will happen? Of the righteous and the wicked (Ecclesiastes 8:11) When the Pharaoh of the Exodus saw there was respite, he hardened his heart. But it shall not be well with the wicked ( Ecclesiastes 8:13 ), In the end God's judgment will come. Therefore, consider ye actually this time as God's patience in order that men might be saved. the righteous often suffer, and the wicked prosper. It's because they are misinterpreting the patience of God waiting for men to be saved, because God is not willing that any should perish. The problem with this view is that it does not do full justice to what the Preacher says. We come now to the last part of the books third major section, which began in chapter 6, dealing with explaining and applying the plan of God in light of it seeming to be unfair. All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongs his life in his wickedness. and who knows the interpretation of a thing? Ecclesiastes 7:19-8. [5] But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, Fear him. But it is tragic when people misinterpret God's patience and God's kindness. mind, thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortab Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the Furthermore, the verses in chapter 8 do not seem to speak of human government rectifying problems so much as of us taking care to not run afoul of government (we will see similar verses in this regard in chapter 10). The Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the Others see ruach here as meaning wind, and take the statement to mean that just as the wind is beyond our control, so is death. In fact, Solomon himself wrote elsewhere, The fear of the LORD prolongs days, but the years of the wicked will be shortened (Proverbs 10:27 Proverbs 10:27The fear of the LORD prolongs days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.American King James Version). 5: oritur sol et occidit et ad locum suum revertitur ibique renascens. American King James Version; and read all of this psalm). Instead, somewhat surprisingly, he urges us to enjoy life: to eat, drink, and be merry. That it was all labour in vain, Ecclesiastes 8:17; Ecclesiastes 8:17. This he speaks, either, Still, we must not treat God flippantly or carelessly. Mirth - Better, Gladness, or joy (as in Ecclesiastes 2:10). The message here is: Do your best to stay out of trouble! equally puzzling that the RIGHTEOUS sometimes receive the treatmen CRITICAL NOTES. All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man rules over another to his own hurt. But this wording requires a text emendation. ( Romans 9:20 ) The sovereignty of the king, which also speaks to the sovereignty of God. We must keep in due subjection to the government God has set over us ( v. 2-5 ). [9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? Wisdom helps people see the underlying meaning of things and teaches them that to act with pleasantness is better than to act with harshness (8:1). His estimate of the pleasures of the senses is recorded in Ecclesiastes 7:2-6. Who is as the wise man? Love the brotherhood. In this division, dealing with the evidences of the vanity of life, No man has any power over the spirit. Eat, and to drink, and to be merry.The three words occur together 1Kings 4:20. abideHebrew, "adhere"; not for ever, but it is the only sure good to be enjoyed from earthly labors (equivalent to "of his labor the days of his life"). The place of holiness to which they had come and gone is not clear. _ 1. 2 I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment, and that because of thy oath to God. in whatsoever state condition men are; serenity and tranquillity of Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. He is instead, in great mercy, giving everyone more time to repentand He is letting us see how far we will drift without His intervention. And He died. Concerning this Solomon here gives us his advice. For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear you God. [29] For our God is a consuming fire. That's a fatal mistake to make. man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as Article Images Copyright 2023 Getty Images unless otherwise indicated. As mentioned previously, the seer and psalmist Asaph, a contemporary of Solomon, wrestled with how the righteoussuffered while the wicked prospered, then stating, When I thought how to understand this, it was too painful for meuntil I went into the sanctuary of God; then I understood their end (Psalms 73:16-17 Psalms 73:16-17 [16] When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me; God does know. Fear God. 3: quid habet amplius homo de universo labore suo quod laborat sub sole. is simply that the wicked were able to die and receive a proper burial after a long life without having to face up to what they'd doneall the while having been permitted in life to be regularly in God's temple, a sacrilege and mockery of religion. He believed, even when there was no evidence for believing! (quoted on p. 135). But Peter said, "God isn't slack concerning His promises, as some men count slackness, but He's faithful to usward. 2. Or it could be that all the men of Israel took an oath as part of the nations military. III. counsels obedience to the powers that be_,_ and submission to the (8 studies) Ecclesiastes Study Guide Ecclesiastes Chart Scans (studies 1-8) Click to for the Mp3's corresponding to each study CHARACTERS: God, Solomon. Fear God. United Church of Godis a501(c)3organization. Though he be very confident of success, though he think to know it, yet he shall not; he cannot find it out. therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do Yet this is with the realization that God loves us and wants the best for us. While this principle applies today to a certain extent, things often dont go this way, as weve seen. Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. MAN UNDER THE Ecclesiastes 8:14-15 meaning Although life is mysterious, Solomon has discovered by submitting to the God of Mystery, rather than trying to make sense of the world through human experience, he can enjoy and appreciate the best life has to offer. He's very patient. his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and The apostle Peter likewise tells us to be careful regarding both divine and human authority: Fear God. Item #: 203674. . Or possibly the reference is to a general promise to obey God, with this including the requirement of following Israels divinely appointed kingor maybe even any nations ruler, since, as Paul later points out in Romans 13, all governing authorities are in power because of God and are to be obeyedexcept when there is a conflict with Gods law, which must come first (Acts 5:29 Acts 5:29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.American King James Version). They should not spend weary days and sleepless nights puzzling over problems to which only God knows the answer (16-17). Then I commended mirth which God giveth him under the sun; Wisdom strengthens the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 8:15 Parallel Verses [ See commentary ] Ecclesiastes 8:15, NIV: So I commend the enjoyment of life, because there is nothing better for a person under the sun than to eat and drink and be glad.Then joy will accompany them in their toil all the days of the life God has given them under the sun. better H2896 sun H8121 eat H398 (H8800) drink H8354 (H8800) merry of the greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who s "SO. It is good that you should take hold of this; yes, also from this withdraw not your hand: for he that fears God shall come forth of them all. 4: generatio praeterit et generatio advenit terra vero in aeternum stat. Romans 13 speaks of rulers executing wrath on evildoers. . speaks in the person of the libertine, representing the objections of another world. When the time comes for you to die, you don't have any power over your spirit to retain it, to cause your spirit to remain. element of thought mingles with the higher fear of God, to which th FOR THAT SHALL ABIDE WITH HIM OF HIS LABOUR _And this shall borrow observing that no difference is made between the righteous and It seems that this lack of punishment encourages people to sin (11-12a). So, because God has waited so long, because God hasn't speedily executed His sentence against the evil, people begin to assume that God has just withdrawn Himself. heads and be cheerful, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God in "But it shall not be well with the wicked.". This is not some kind of terror of God, but a profound respect that does include, as with children who love their caring parents, a healthy fear of disappointing and, yes, incurring judgment, recalling that God chastens every son He loves (Hebrews 12:5-11 Hebrews 12:5-11 [5] And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him: [6] For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and whips every son whom he receives. So, again, the problems of human government must be navigated with wisdom and righteousness to improve life where possible and to avoid making matters worse than they already are. Ecclesiastes 8:13. wicked men sometimes do not live out half their days, which, according to the course of nature, and common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, ( Ecclesiastes 7:15 ) ; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is quickly gone; or . life was a low one. sun, than (n) to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall a man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed.American King James Version;with the previous subsection, but it rather seems to be in answer to all the previous dilemma, ending with the bleak, sinful condition of man at the end of the last chapter. The king stands as the authority. of earthly things there is nothing better than for a man freely Abject in his fear before Moses, he was ready to promise anything; insolent in his pride, he swallows down his promises as soon as fear is eased, his repentance and his retractation of it combined to add new weights about his neck. and who knows the interpretation of a thing? serving the king, followed by a number Ecclesiastes 7:19-8 Section 5. Keeping this in mind results in a deep and abiding reverence for Godloving and trusting Him while recognizing His supreme power and holiness (see Hebrews 12:28-29 Hebrews 12:28-29 [28] Why we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: That all of the talk of the rapture of the church and the return of Jesus Christ is just piped dreams, a misinterpretation of scriptures. 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