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And thats the reason why I resigned. Is that why you resigned? And thats, on any level, regardless of what that persons story might be, thats just sad. Do you feel the need to sometimes wear that like a badge, to own it in certain situations? I just wanted to see them. Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. Andy: Yeah, always. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. And that is, I have to say, largely thanks to Eloise because shes, maybe well get on to it, the reason I got through is her. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. But I accepted the system. I just think people deal with things in different ways. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. Jane: Hard not to be, though, I would have thought. So I did. Andy: No, I prefer not to, really. David Cameron's former spin doctor Andy Coulson was among seven people in court earlier charged in connection with the phone hacking scandal. [1] They have three children. Jane: We talked a bit, obviously, there about family and knowing the value of your family. It takes you nowhere. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. If resilience is genetic then I think Ive definitely benefitted in that regard. And I thought, this is just hopeless, Im his Director of Communications and Im learning things in the paper. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. No one wants to spend two months of their life in a high-security prison, certainly, but I was mainly concerned about my boys because I wanted to see them and I didnt want them to visit me in a high-security prison. His brother and co-founder John Collison scored the highest-ever score received by a student for the Irish Leaving Certificate. Andy: Well sometimes literally all day. And I talked them through it and I explained that Id been found guilty and that Id be going to a prison and then Id be moved at some point to an open prison and then they could come and see me. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. Andy Coulson is the former spokesman for No 10 who reached the highest levels of his profession - before coming crashing down as a result of the phone-hacking scandal. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. [13] On 17 April 2015, the Crown Prosecution Service announced that Coulson's retrial was to be scrapped, along with that of Goodman and the trials of seven other journalists. He attended Beauchamps High School, a secondary school and sixth form college, from 1979 to 1986. Youre a state-school-educated Essex lad. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. I think thats been an enormous help. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did I end up here? And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. Andy: Yeah, there was a report online, I think, that said that and it was complete nonsense, it didnt happen. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. In an interview with the Press Gazette in 2005, he said that "Tabloid newspapers in this country do more for its people than any other newspapers in the world". And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. I think it is something that you need to continually look at and work on and assess and I certainly do that. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Id start with that, I think. Thats why I love podcasting, actually, its that its not a formal interview process, its a conversation. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. Andy: You have to sit there on your own while the rest of your fellow inmates are with their families. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. I think it probably did. I was really concerned. Ask away. And thats absolutely not how I feel. He commented about the News of the World allegations "I stand by what I've said about those events but when the spokesman needs a spokesman it's time to move on. [38] In March 2017, Coulson Chappell was awarded a contract by the Telegraph Media Group (TMG) to improve the standing of the company's publications, The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph. I have to say I managed to get to that point reasonably quickly and I ran it as a campaign. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. So, I got a lot of that. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. Andy: Its very hard, this, to get it down to three. There are dogs and there are searches and its another one of those sort of movie scenes. "[53] These charges were made about 1 year after the Metropolitan Police Service reopened its dormant investigation into phone hacking,[54] about 3 years after the then Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service told the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee that "no additional evidence has come to light,"[55] 5 years after Coulson and News International executives began claiming that phone hacking was the work of a single "rogue reporter,"[56] 10 years after The Guardian began reporting that the Met had evidence of widespread illegal acquisition of confidential information,[57] and 13 years after the Met began accumulating "boxloads" of that evidence, including sources for News of the World journalists while Coulson was editor, but kept it unexamined in trash bags at Scotland Yard. On 7 July 2009, John Prescott called on leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron to remove Coulson from his position, after The Guardian revealed further details about phone-hacking by the News of the World. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. Its not on my record. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. Theres a lot of emotion, theres a lot of different emotions but that is definitely the feature in prison. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. My mum, who has had a lot of difficulty in her life, is an amazing woman and shes incredibly resilient. And thats just not where I am. Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. But I never, at any point, felt that I was being treated worse than anyone else. And there was a bit of joshing as well, particularly with prison officers when I would kind of complain about the process or I would ask the question, Why am I still here when I think I should have been categorised by now? and Id get a wry look that says, Well Tory cuts, Andy.' We are all hard workers. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. There are 100+ professionals named "Andy Coulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. The two others, well one of them got dropped and one I was acquitted, but thats the system. Jane: Do you feel a need to keep on apologising? [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. And as a result of that I met a large number of prisoners because I was helping them put their CVs together. Andy: Well I will always argue that the mistakes were not criminal, because thats what I spent a lot of time standing in a witness box arguing and because its what I believe. You take some advice. A thoroughly depressing experience, with barbed wire around you and over you, actually, to stop helicopters coming in. Jane: You were acquitted. Long before, in truth. In the second extract from his new book Hack Attack, Nick Davies. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson's 'mobile phone was hacked by his own newspaper's private detective' Coulson, 45, 'fully in the know' about illegal practice, prosecution has said. Jane: Were obviously talking about a whole series crises in a way with you, its like crisis Whac-A-Mole. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. And, in fact, the last words from one of those prison officers to me as I was about to get on the bus were, Keep your head down, youll get through it, life moves on. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. So, what are yours? Heres the full transcript: Jane: Im Jane Moore, a friend of Andys and for a number of years his colleague at The Sun. Never mind my resilience and my crisis, the truth of the matter is it was as much a crisis for them and for Ellie as it was for me. When did you last speak to him? When you resigned, did you feel the sense of the crisis that was about to come your way at that point? [15], Coulson was also tried over charges that he committed perjury in the evidence he gave in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan in 2010. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. [14] On 30 June 2014, it was announced that he would face a retrial over two counts of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer after the jury in the original trial was unable to reach a verdict on them. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. I dont need you take my advice but I do need you to listen to my advice. What I was reading, I disagreed with. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. So I changed my mind. Certainly not for me. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. Im absolutely sure that Im a better advisor as a result of what happened. And it was, it was a much better regime. Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. I think Ive been up and down that mountain and that I think is a good and useful thing for my clients. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. Theres a lot of kind of, Ill help you out here and you help me, and I knew I wasnt going to engage in any of that. My biggest regret was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons come and visit me in Belmarsh". One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. Early life. So, I will blub at kids school plays Jeremy Bowen and I actually talked about exactly that. It turned out that all of my research and all the advice was entirely wrong and so a lot of the stuff that I took in, I had a radio, I took some books, all of that was gone, stamps were gone. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. No one knows in advance. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. Andys been upfront about that aspect of his CV during this podcast series and, indeed, has talked openly with his former prison mate, the England cricketer Chris Lewis, but hes never discussed his own crisis in any depth, until now. Coulson is pictured leaving the court earlier. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. Jane: And that was what, because of the dangers of drug smuggling? I was treated perfectly decently and fairly but its just something that you think to yourself, I cant quite believe this is happening to me. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. I had no complaint about it. It was reported that as a condition of his early release on home detention curfew (HDC) Coulson would have to wear an electronic tag until he had served half of his full sentence. September 18, 2020. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. So, I knew at that point that Id be going to prison and that was obviously not where I thought my life would take me. And no one can give you that answer in advance. [14] He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. I was a pretty low profile, it didnt turn out that way, of course, but I was a pretty low-profile editor, at least I tried to be and thats absolutely how I saw the job as well when I went into Number 10. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". Jane: Do I get one of those for doing this? I do believe its a muscle and my muscle was very well exercised by the time I found myself dealing with my own. I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. Therefore, the search process before you come in for a visit, as a visitor, is pretty unpleasant. Obviously, I knew nothing about it other than the fact that it was a D-Cat and therefore would be better than where I was. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. Andy: Their choice really. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? I didnt find it easy but Im glad, once we got to Hollesley Bay, Im very glad we did it. Jane: I mean, in fairness, Ive known you, what, 25 years and you were like that before you had a crisis. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. So, until you are there for, as it turned out for me, a couple of weeks, a bit longer actually, youve got to wear this kind of corned-beef-coloured tracksuit, which is utterly charming. And there were some jet streams in the sky, without getting too poetic about it. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. Having to ring Eloise and say, its not just about getting through this prison sentence, we are going to do it all over again, that was probably the worst moment. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. Andy: Well Belmarsh was going through a pretty dysfunctional phase at that stage. Because they, obviously, are the most important thing in my life, along with Eloise, and I wanted them to see that I was OK. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. Jane: You dont really talk about yourself very much. Coulson, 46, who also worked as director of . But Ive never done it in any detail other than, of course, over a very long period in a witness box in the Old Bailey. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. Shes just not got a bitter bone in her body. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. So thats how I spent quite a bit of my time there. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968)[2][3] is an English journalist and political strategist. And then youre off and youre into the admission process which, again, is not especially pleasant, I have to say. It is a fact of my life and it is an upsetting fact of my life. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. Andy: They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. Jane: So how did you avoid that photograph? [59] In June 2014, Coulson was found guilty of one charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison on 4 July 2014. And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. Because Id worked very hard at the News of the World, working weekends and god knows what else. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. BirthName, Nickname, and Profession So first, let's take a look at some personal details of Andy, like name, nickname, and profession. And although I stand by the position I took in court, in regard to the allegations that I ended up being found guilty of, my view is still that I didnt break the law. Im with a bunch of other people who are in the same situation as me and Ive just got to make the best of it really. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. That never happened to me. We worked together for a long time. And I managed to get down just in time and before you know it youre off driving through the city and I just remember looking at the bright blue sky really. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. So part of the evidence presented at the trial revealed that you had had an affair. [1] He follows Tottenham Hotspur. And the other, in the same way as I have just said that I got enormous enjoyment from the political job, there is also a danger that because my newspaper career ended so badly, that you, sort of, chuck out all the good stuff there. I suppose because the thing was so public and had been so long running, Ellie and I took the view that we werent going to try and attempt to hide any of it from them. This podcast is about a crisis and how you get through it. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. Discover Andy Coulson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. permanent tsb. People were being genuinely kind to me. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. In fact, there was a feeling that I may never get out until those trials were over. And its like eating rotten fruit. David Cameron appointed Coulson as communications director in 2007. The saddest thing in prison is when youre queuing up for the phone, because thats how the system works, you have to wait to be able to use the phone. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. And it is all about cues and nudges that push you in a certain direction and I just try and avoid those. Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. Youve got to be either kind of 200% enthusiastic about something or youve got to be outraged. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? [62], Coulson was charged with having committed perjury during the trial in 2010 of Tommy and Gail Sheridan. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. [60][61], Coulson was to face a retrial, together with the News of the World's former royal editor Clive Goodman, after the jury failed to agree a verdict on two other charges of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. Showing Editorial results for andy coulson. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. 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